HMS Neptune (BB-1911)
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The original layout of the Colossus / Neptune types is as shown below. They
still carry the awkward wing turrets. Something I have been trying to eradicate
from my Commonwealth Navy. Good old Fisher and his design work, building
directions are hard to get rid of. The work I have done with the
Dreadnought
and Indomitable,
fitting superimposed, inline, turrets to them, makes this next class of three
ships interesting in that I can carry the aft three turret X Y Z layout on or go
to the Q turret a class early. I will try a drawing of each to see what looks
best and go from there.
So lets have a look at an XYZ layout.
The drawing certainly looks better than the earlier Dreadnought and clone
classes. The extra forty feet is well used to increase the size of the machinery
rooms. The placement of the 4" secondaries in the superstructure actually proved
a success compared to the casemates on the Dreadnought which were prone to being
washed out in moderate to heavy weather.
So lets have a look at a Q design.
Now that is a more interesting looking ship than the XYZ
variant. The weight is better balanced with the Q turret, while the turret
itself does not lose any of the angles it could fire at in comparison to the X
turret. The secondaries are kept in the superstructure but are reduced to twelve
guns due to the changes in the superstructure layout. I can see these three
ships being wanted by the minor powers because of the layout lending itself to
modernisation in the future. Even Australis might change its two ships of this
type to this version.
BUT...... I also convert at least one of the class to an aircraft carrier. If I
can strip the 'R' class 15" battleships to provide guns and armour for a modern
battleship class then convert the hulks to escort carriers, then why would I keep
these 3 to 5 ships, when I could do the same to them. As I say on the
'R' Class page, 5
escort carriers arriving in the North Atlantic in 1940/41, miracles do happen.
The same miracle could take place with these ships, but I can not think of a
reason that would require these 3 to 5 ships to be converted to aircraft
carriers in 1930-32. Unless they have been transferred to Australis, Zealandia,
South Africa, where they could be kept as battleships, by 1923 the ships would
already have been reduced in armament to make them compliant with the Washington
Treaty if they were to be kept in the Royal Navy. I make the CV conversion date
1930-32 as the three ships would be 20 years old at that point and ready for the
scrap yard. To keep them alive after that date would need them to be converted
to something useful, either as ADV's or CVE's.
Knowing what we know now, with 20/20 hindsight, these would be fantastic as
CVE's on the North Atlantic convoys in 1940-41. They would make a definite
difference. But could the Admiralty think ten years ahead. Probably not.
Battleship Bill would still be in command at the Admiralty and aircraft carriers
would still be a low priority. It is much more likely that these three RN ships
would go to ADV's. They would never have been converted to oil fired boilers.
There would have been no reason to do so with these ships only being training
ships or as static seaplane tenders. I normally in my AU convert one of these to
a CVE to be the companion training carrier to the Argus, while the other two go
to ADV's.
So, two more drawings. One as a converted battleship, early 1930's style with
some AA guns, and then an ADV type. This is postulating that the Colossus and
Hercules get transferred to South Africa and Australis as training ships. If the
battleships were converted as I show below to modern looking ships during
1931-33, they would not have been converted further. The work to get them into
this condition would have been costly enough that the navies involved would not
want to undo it to convert the hull to an aircraft carrier. For these
conversions the boilers would have been converted from coal to oil firing.
The ADV conversions for the Indian and Atlantic Oceans have access to much more
significant resources closer to hand than those that may be destined for the
Pacific. The island groups that have airfields on them are few and far between.
The ADV can sit in a lagoon and act as mothership to the big flying boats and
provide all the services required.
The Colossus, Auckland, and Gascoyne were all converted to ADV's as being the
most useful type to operate the flying boats. This work was trialed through the
islands and found to be a successful operation. These ships would prove
invaluable during the coming war. Only Hercules was retained in its battleship
variant and operated as a training ship with the Southern African Navy. The
Neptune was the only one of the five to be converted to an aircraft carrier.
Neptune was paired with the Argus as the extra training carrier which was
extremely useful from 1938 onward when the great expansion of the Fleet Air Arm
started. The Neptune was used sparingly on other duties as the training work it
was doing was of such high priority.
Displacement | 20,000 tons std, 23,500 tons full load | |||
Length | 566 ft | |||
Breadth | 85 ft | |||
Draught | 26.3 ft | |||
Machinery | 4 shaft , steam turbines, 25,000shp | |||
Speed | 22 knots | |||
Range | 6000 miles at 12 knots | |||
Armour | 11" side, 2" deck, 11" turrets. (belt removed on Neptune and ADV's reduced to 3") | |||
Armament | Neptune as Built 10 x 12" (5x2) 12 x 4" (12x1) |
Neptune (as CVE) 6 x 4" (6x1) 4 x 2pd (4x1) from 1940 8 x 20mm (4x2) |
Colossus (3) (as TS/ADV) 4 x 12 (3x2) 6 x 4" (6x1) 8 x 2pd (2x4) 12 x 0.5" (3x4) |
Hercules (as TS/BB) 8 x 12" (4x2) 12 x 4" (6x2) 16 x 2pd (2x8) 16 x 0.5" (4x4) |
Aircraft | Nil | 16 | 6 to 7 | 2 |
Torpedoes | 3 x 18" (3x1 submerged) | nil | nil | nil |
Complement | 750 | 905 (with aircrew) | 780 (815 as flagship) | 800 (830 as Flagship) |
Notes | HMS Neptune 01/1911 HMS Colossus 07/1911 HMS Hercules 08/1911 HMAS Auckland 10/1912 HMAS Gascoyne 01/1913 |
The Blackburn Roc Floatplane was supposed to have been a fighter aircraft for
the Fleet Air Arm, but was a failure in service, quickly being replaced by the
Griffon. Converted to floatplanes they did useful service with the ten ADV's and
as target tugs for the training carriers in the Irish sea. Replaced in 1940 with
the first Mk.1 Spitfire conversions.
The mainstay of the ASW forces sent to the ADV's were the obsolete Swordfish
which proved of great value trundling around the islands the ADV's were assigned
to. The other aircraft used in this role was the Walrus which also was of better
value than its looks suggested.